Yes, this morning, I think.

Me!

Yes, I saw him.

I am very much struck, I must say. First of all, to put thingsphysically, the first time I saw him, I remained with him for

three and a half hours-he didn't stop talking ....

But the extraordinary thing is that usually, when I am withpeople, after half an hour I am exhausted - after three and a half

hours (I didn't budge, didn't stop looking at him), I was as fresh

as a daisy! And so full of energy that I didn't sleep the whole

night! And I spent three and a half hours listening to this man ....

Yesterday evening (I was tired, Id had a rather heavy day), I

spent only half an hour chatting with him - I was as fresh as a

daisy.

I was quite fresh, as I am not after resting .... But Id like to mention one thing: I saw him BEFORE he came to Pondicherry. The

day he reached Bombay, I had a sort of vision I didn't under

stand: I saw an enormous white horse, huge, but massive, like

an enormous plough horse: not beautiful, but with an awesome

massive power. A huge white horse. And when I saw him here,

I thought, "But here's my white horse!"

A plough animal, you know, not beautiful but awesome.

He's come here with a question-not a mental one .... But I should perhaps tell you the stages of his discovery. As you know,

he discovered experimentally on himself what was going on. So

he sought to understand: he bought books, went to see so-called

"healers." The first people who taught him were "Spiritualists."

They told him, "Use a pendulum." He used a pendulum to detect

diseases, and it worked very well. Then, after a time, he thought,

"But this isn't reality." And then his Pendulum stopped working!

Afterwards, he went to see someone else, who told him, "But you

should do magnetic passes." He was taught how to do it, and it

worked very well: with his fingers he could feel the organs that

were out of harmony (because, for him, the key word is "Har

mony" or "disharmony"). Then, after a while, he said to himself,

"But this isn't reality either." And nothing worked anymore.

He thought, "But I have nothing left, neither a pendulum nor myhands nor anything ...." And all of a sudden he had a revelation:

"You have nothing left because you no longer need anything!"

Then he began, and he noticed that when his thought met with

someone's thought or call, it was done in a split second. For

instance, one day a woman sent him a wire in Paris: she had

given birth and had a torn perineum. He got the wire, thought,

and said, "She's cured." The next morning he went and saw her:

the perineum had healed .... Another extraordinary case: a woman

was dying in the fifth month of her pregnancy, dying of menin

geal tuberculosis. The hospital was helpless, they brought her

home. In reality, she didn't want her child. He went and saw her

several times, and one day, she had terrible convulsions and died

in his arms. Then, he says, "I had a sort of prayer at the bottom

of my heart, I said, 'But this woman hasn't followed the law of

love, it's right that she should die, but why should this child in

her die? ... '" He had a sort of prayer. And five minutes later, the

woman came back to life in his arms. She opened her eyes and

said, "I am cured." She was indeed cured, but unable to move

anymore. Two weeks later, she gave birth to a child, who was not

only normal but viable and full-grown, which means that in

those fifteen days, the gestation had accelerated and the child

was just as full-grown as a nine-month-old child ....

Yes. Then the woman died the day after giving birth, and thechild is now seventeen, I think .... He told me, "That's how it is:

there is NO' power,' it doesn't exist - there is That, the Harmony;

everyone has the capacity to call this Harmony, and It acts. And

It acts in a second, instantly .... But then, he told me, "Here is

my question" (as far as I can express what he said) .... Basically,

he is aware of quite an extraordinary Power-though I should

say I didn't feel a shadow of ego in this man, there's no trace of

ego .... He read my book, but that didn't teach him things, it only

confirmed some experiences .... This man spoke to me for more

than three hours, and apart from you and Sri Aurobindo, I have

heard no one speak like him. It was a sage who spoke, a living

experience that sprang forth, there wasn't one thing he said you

wouldn't subscribe to: those "great Forces of Harmony" that must

be embodied on earth, brought down on earth ... It was really a

sage who spoke, and those were your words, Sri Aurobindo's words.

But the surprising thing is that when he spoke to me, it wasn'this mind that spoke: it was a living experience that sprang forth,

that's what was extraordinary! ... He said, "I have the experience

of the transformation, the experience of cellular regeneration ....

I know from experience that there is intelligence, there is divin

ity deep down in the cells - I know all that, but it has to be

embodied. Something has to be done." So here's his question ....

He is conscious of this Power, but he says one needs to have the TOTAL vision, the vision of TOTAL Harmony. Because, he says, it's

all an equilibrium, a wonderful harmony, and we mustn't cause

any disequilibrium, we must obey the Law, follow the Law of

Harmony, but it's a TOTAL Law, of course, and we mustn't make

any mistake. "I need the total vision," he says. "Take the Ashram:

it's a center of light where there is total harmony; then there's a

circle around it, Pondicherry, which is already darker ...

" ... and less receptive; so you can't bring the Ashram's law intothat obscurity without causing a disequilibrium; you can only

bring part of it, or something that can be adapted to that dark

ness. Then there is a third, still darker circle, to which it's still

harder to apply the law of total Harmony-so how to find out

what one has to do depending on the particular point? How to

know the right law, the total law? ..." He says, "I don't want to

cause any disequilibrium, I want to obey the Law .....

It's not that I asked, I just thought it might be interesting for himto try and put himself his question to you.

I told him, "Mother doesn't speak." He said, "But of course! It'snot words I need, expressing is useless; what I want is the vibra

tion, the experience." He understands silence very well.

Because it would be interesting if in front of you he tried toformulate his question outwardly ... He understands quite well

that evolution has reached a point where things must accelerate

and those Forces of Harmony must be brought into the world,

but basically, he feels such a power in him that he wouldn't want

to act arbitrarily: he wouldn't want to "break the equilibrium,"

but to "follow the Law." And for that, total vision is needed ....

He told me, "The miracles Christ worked, for instance (there is

no such thing as 'miracles,' by the way), all that I can do, but if

I did it, with the means of communication of modern science,

it would immediately be known the world over, and something

of that sort could strike a 'great blow' to the ordinary mind which

only believes in the truths of matter." He asks, "That would be a

means of action, but should I do that? ..." His problem is one

of action ....

Right now, for three days he has been fasting; he's stopped eating. He said, "I'll go and see Mother like this, without having

taken any food." So for three days he has been taking nothing but

water ... The wonderful thing is that there isn't an atom of men

talization, it's all an experience that springs forth. And all that

you've said, all that Sri Aurobindo said, he has experienced ....

He is conscious of the "Moment" in the History of the earth, hefeels all that. So he wants to participate in the Work.

(after a silence)

I think he's inspired. Because the first day, when I spent threehours and a half with him, the first hour (he's very slow to get

started), it took a long time, he was groping for words, trying to

express himself clearly. Later on, I tried to drive him into his

experience, and it started flowing. What he said was beautiful,

it sprang forth like that, spontaneously. It was really inspired ....

And at the same time, so moved, because for the first time in his

life he can talk about these things with people who understand

him. He told me, "No one understands me - but here, everyone

understands me." So it comes out, it springs forth.

(A.R., the healer, enters; Mother gives him a red rose.)

(A.R.:) Thank you ... I come to you as a child thirsting and hungering for Truth, Justice, and the Knowledge of spiritual laws.

Please give me this nourishment that is the knowledge of the

laws, so I may serve the Divine in the most perfect universal

Harmony.

(silence)

(Satprem to A.R.:) Mother doesn't speak.

(Satprem:) What is the central question that preoccupies you?

(A.R.:) The central question ... The central question for me,with regard to past experiences, is to understand the Law - to

understand it perfectly, not imperfectly, that is, not empirically,

so that by fulfilling the conditions of the Law, we may re-create

the same phenomena.

(Satprem:) You spoke of a "block" somewhere?

(A.R.:) Yes, exactly, the block is just that .... Ill give an image:when you know a law perfectly, you can't be in breach of the law;

but if you know it imperfectly, you risk a fine at any moment.

(Satprem:) Mother, it's the knowledge of the Law that he wouldlike to have, so as not to make any mistake.

(Satprem to A.R.:) What do you call the "law"?

(A.R.:) The Law ... I think that if in deep meditation one realizes union with the Divine according to the right rules, every time

you have the same meditation for the same cause, you must

certainly obtain the same result.

(A.R.:) That's right.

(A.R.:) Exactly, I fully agree with Mother. But the problem remains in spite of this explanation. The question mark subsists,

because, of course, I've had numerous opportunities to experi

ment with it - it's something I frequently realize-and yet the

results are different, I mean that one doesn't get the result one

might have hoped for, which seems (I say, seems) really normal

in the circumstances.

(Satprem to A.R.:) You mean, when you want to cure someone?

(A.R.:) Yes, that's it.

(Satprem to Mother:) Mother, he says that when he wants toheal, for instance, there aren't two systems, there's only one: he

goes into a deep, intimate communion with the Divine, and lets

That come through ....

(Satprem:) So he wonders why, in certain cases, the result isn't obtained?

(Satprem to A.R.:) Yes, it's not like that. It's a partial consciousness that tells you there must be a result, but in the total

Consciousness ...

(A.R.:) I had always taken it like that too, but I wanted a confirmation of it.

(Satprem to Mother:) That's how he had taken it, but he wanteda confirmation. Because, for example, he has the case of a man

whom he knows intimately and who has become a paralytic. He

put all his heart into curing him, and he says he feels the Forces

entering this man, he finds him receptive ...

(Satprem:) He isn't cured. He has even given me the photo of theman, and he'd like to understand why, in this instance, he doesn't

get cured.

(Mother looks at the photo)

(A.R.:) Well, in the beginning he didn't, but his faith has been growing.

(A.R.:) Thank you.

(meditation)

(A.R.:) Yes, Id like to ask if you think it's good to carry on with this path of healing?

(A.R.:) Do you think it's a momentary limitation?

(A.R.:) Thank you.

(Mother gives a photo

and A.R. leaves)

(Mother starts writing

her note to the healer)

"The time seems opportune for you to make yourlast conquest over illness, and to do that, you

need some rest in a solitary place. Everything

can easily be arranged. Satprem will explain."

"It is in the silence of complete identification withthe Divine that true understanding is obtained."